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#1 Toyin

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:20 PM

The overwhelming number of sick child abusers in the UK are european men. Discuss

Almost every week i hear of new groups and organised rings of sickos abusing children across europe and the UK.

From the church to the politicians, teachers and police, the plague of child rape is rampant and yet there seems to be no discussion on the topic. No academic research paper being published looking for a cure. Am i imagining this epidemic crisis that is threatening the soul of this nation, almost every month there is a next politician being exposed as cheating on his wife with a man, sheep or whatever.

Are we on the brink of a new sexual revolution, the dawn of a new era of greater liberal freedoms?

How will this effect those of us who embrace the n word without problem but if you dare to mention the term chi chi they will fight you like there's no tomorrow?

Where are the academic papers exploring the pros - 'euro-battyism' and the cons - 'child rape'?

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:57 PM

The overwhelming number of sick child abusers in the UK are european men. Discuss

Almost every week i hear of new groups and organised rings of sickos abusing children across europe and the UK.

From the church to the politicians, teachers and police, the plague of child rape is rampant and yet there seems to be no discussion on the topic. No academic research paper being published looking for a cure. Am i imagining this epidemic crisis that is threatening the soul of this nation, almost every month there is a next politician being exposed as cheating on his wife with a man, sheep or whatever.

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Looks like it's just too hot to handle.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:29 PM

This is just them being themselfs my brother toyin. Dont forget who and what they are the ansesters of the white man are brute beast cavemen from the hills and caves of europe there (Genotype and Phenotype) was hued out from the harsh conditions found there. Its there origins and genetics they cannot! help it just check out the greeks and what they got up to its there sickness it must come to the surface sooner or later. But dont take my word for it check out the book by Michael Bradley called Iceman Inheritance or checkout Positive Kemetic Visions White Sex The Effeminization of the Black Male click on the first video on this site:

http://www.myspace.c.../blog/464836831

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:49 PM

"A gang of paedophiles used such a large internet server to store millions of indecent images that when it was switched on by detectives the lights in the building dimmed ..."

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The four men were jailed for their parts in the paedophile gang

(Source: Lincolnshire paedophile ring's web server dimmed lights, BBc Online, 13 June 2011)

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 07:04 PM

My point of this thread is to highlight the fact that there has been no major discussion in the mainstream media about this phenomenon and yet if these attacks were committed predominantly by migrants or any other minority community there would be an outcry.

No debates in parliament about the urgent need to introduce new bills.

Not even a green paper or parliamentary scrutiny group.

Not even a panorama or dispatches.

Osirus, you suggest its genetic. I am not a supporter of biological pre-determinist views as these arguements were and continue to be falsely used to denigrate African people. In my mind i believe these traits are strictly cultural and also a sick manifestation of a spiritual disease.

Yet despite these forums being accessible by billions of people, I can not find a single european male to discuss (and prove or disprove) these theories. But if i said 'black' men were naturally criminals or of low intelligence, there would be mass excitement by Africans and non-African alike.

Yes the media is biased, but perhaps we make it worse by failing to be organised in the way we challenge those biases. :(

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 06:27 PM

Osirus, you suggest its genetic. I am not a supporter of biological pre-determinist views as these arguements were and continue to be falsely used to denigrate African people. In my mind i believe these traits are strictly cultural and also a sick manifestation of a spiritual disease.


??? Iam not to sure what more i can say family but i guess we can just respectfully agree to dissagree in part on that one my brother. But i take it you know that Michael Bradley is a european who is talking in his book about his cave man ansesters and if anyone sould know about that he sould. And if they want to try to denigrate us africans with biological pre-determination it can only work for our benefit becouse our ansesters work's and indeed legacy speaks loudly for its self.. but i do agree that culture can play its part also my brother..Hotep!

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:58 AM

@Osirus

??? Iam not to sure what more i can say family but i guess we can just respectfully agree to dissagree in part on that one my brother. But i take it you know that Michael Bradley is a european who is talking in his book about his cave man ansesters and if anyone sould know about that he sould. And if they want to try to denigrate us africans with biological pre-determination it can only work for our benefit becouse our ansesters work's and indeed legacy speaks loudly for its self.. but i do agree that culture can play its part also my brother..Hotep!


Sorry for my tone brother, it was not meant to be so rigid/harsh.

However I disagree with ideas defining anyone as sub-human. Its like saying a purple is not a true colour because its a mix of primary colours.

What i meant was that whilst I agree that we inherit Ancestral traits through biology as well as spiritual trauma/political biases (both good and bad), im not sure about our character being predetermined. We can agree to disagree. :)

I believe that spirit is eternal whilst the flesh is transient, so when i see some of those evil doers I believe I am not looking at a mentally 'unwell' person or a man driven by biological traits out of his control but a 'sane' demonic spirit returned to cause havoc.

I agree with much of Bradleys theory on the impact of historic environment on social development, i also believe that scientific evidence proves that his views of europeans collectively having an innate aggressive type instinct is proven.

The continuing need to seize life providing resources from others - just because, the permanent engagement in war despite having access to more than enough to satisfy their needs, the delusions of grandeur that places self above creator, the permanent lie (perpetuated in corporate media and state education) that enables western attempts at civilisation to masquerades as sincere commitment to human rights whilst forwarding eurocentrism under the guise of liberal universalism. I could go on, but in the context of what we are discussing I would argue this is a collective trait.

I would also go as far as saying this is a spiritual sickness perpetuated and manifested through physical form.

One of the reason i am so sure it is spiritual is because I also see Africans who have had none or extremely limited contact with europeans/arabs who are also infected with it.

They look African but inside they are alien. They reside in a natural environment that if infused with work, will provide for all and yet they want more for self at the cost of those with little.

This is what I would call extreme spiritual maldevlopment.

Our Ancestors legacy is indeed great, but how many of us know that, how many of us are prepared to commit to the work and face the challenges that they did and overcame so that we could be here today.

Im not sure the answer is one we can be proud of.

In fact i think there are more Africans with awareness and pride in the deeds of our enemies than of ourselves.

But Ive gone off topic so apologies.

The topic was about the overwhelming number of child abusers being european males.

Lets consider the case recently put forward by MarcusGarveyLives.

"A gang of paedophiles used such a large internet server to store millions of indecent images that when it was switched on by detectives the lights in the building dimmed.

Officers in Lincolnshire who helped to jail the gang had to sift through more than five million indecent images of children in a four-year operation."


Five million images?

But lets look at the punishment given;

"They ran a web-based, subscription news service, which was a front for an online library of indecent images of children, distributed around the world.

Paul Rowland, 35, and Ian Frost, 35, both of Martins Dale in Woodhall Spa, Lincolnshire, were each jailed for 33 months for distributing, making and possessing indecent images of children.

Paul Frost, 37, from Sheffield was jailed for 15 months for distributing indecent images of children.
Rural empire

Ian Sambridge, 32, of St Albans was sentenced to 12 months, suspended for two years, also for distributing indecent images of children."


Is that suitable for creating and distributing child abuse images?

"Officers looked at five million images and read through one-and-a-half million emails.

"We found out they had been running a news service for seven years and had been using it to distribute indecent images to 45 countries, earning themselves about £2m," said Det Supt Gibson.


Look at the numbers of subscribers to their criminal activities and how much they were prepared to pay to fuel the wickedness.

"Every one of those images is a window of opportunity to try to identify that child and make sure that child is safe," he continued...

So far, 55 offenders have been dealt with for the possession of indecent images of children, said Lincolnshire Police.

Other cases are being investigated or are going through the courts.


This is a good start but why are we not hearing about these cases in the media to serve as a public detterant to others? Surley if 55 offenders have been dealt with since 13 June we should have had 3 cases a day reported over the past two weeks.

Why the media whiteout?

These statistics reveal there are far more instances of this occurring than any gun crime so why the comparative silence?

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 02:36 PM

The overwhelming number of sick child abusers in the UK are european men. Discuss

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Perhaps we should not forget a significant minority ...

Child sex grooming survey finds 26% of abusers Asian, but warns data is 'poor'

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:07 PM

The vast majority of the 200 UK suspects who accessed the illegal images were not previously known to the police.

It is a feature that crops up time and again during investigations of sites that peddle child sex abuse images, said Mike Moran, Interpol's co-ordinator on child abuse.

"The vast majority of people being arrested for possession of child sex abuse material are between 25-45, white and taxpayers," he said. "Those people are not normally the ones that come to the police's attention."

...highly professional, educated people that were not known before to police are being caught in possession of the material.

Law enforcement agencies and psychologists are debating the relationship between the availability of the material online and those who are interested in it.

Dr Ethel Quayle, a lecturer in clinical psychology at the University of Edinburgh said that studies have done little to settle the question of what was more important to them - the easy availability of images or a latent sexual attraction to minors.
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Although convictions for sexual offences against children are falling, the proportion of offences that relate to internet crimes against children are going up.

"It's a problem that's simply not going away," said Dr Quayle.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-14234281


I always find it interesting that these forums are constantly attracting new members but none of them post. Whilst many are likely to be shy Africans (welcome :) ) it is also almost guaranteed that some of these are journalists, researchers and state agents picking our thoughts and instincts but not giving us credit for providing the source and direction of their final work.

Others continue to recognise the high value of our words and thoughts more than ourselves.

Sad but interesting.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:32 AM

The overwhelming number of sick child abusers in the UK are european men. Discuss




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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

I always find it interesting that these forums are constantly attracting new members but none of them post. Whilst many are likely to be shy Africans (welcome :smile: ) it is also almost guaranteed that some of these are journalists, researchers and state agents picking our thoughts and instincts but not giving us credit for providing the source and direction of their final work.

Others continue to recognise the high value of our words and thoughts more than ourselves.

Sad but interesting.

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I have read articles in newspapers that sound like or follow lines of thought on our forums, distinctly. While on part it seems like a credit it is theft of intellectual property... complicated arguing this on the internet though as theft, as is in western culture, is an intrinsic part of the online experience. Have been on forums where people have legal statements in their sigs but that was more to protect images, words can be read, adapted and respun in so many ways that its impossible to keep track of.

© 2012, Dark Lion/SJM

Edited by Black Lion, 05 October 2012 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

Have been on forums where people have legal statements in their sigs but that was more to protect images, words can be read, adapted and respun in so many ways that its impossible to keep track of.

© 2012, Dark Lion/SJM


I actually believe that one of the strengths of the internet is its openness, not the respinning, but the sharing of information.

I just wish that more people were acclimatised into a culture of citation so that even where images, words or ideas were borrowed, there was always some sort of conscious effort to acknowledge the original author so they could earn and eat of the labours of their work.

But this conversation is off topic considering the seriousness of the thread.

You see in the context of what this thread is about, it is the same very oneness and failure to credit the 'creators' of perverted child rape images that allows these predators to escape justice for so long.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:08 PM

... But this conversation is off topic considering the seriousness of the thread ...


It is possible that was the intention behind the intervention.

...You see in the context of what this thread is about, it is the same very oneness and failure to credit the 'creators' of perverted child rape images that allows these predators to escape justice for so long.


By the way ...


"A north-west London councillor with responsibility for children and schools has resigned following his arrest over indecent images of children ..."

Harrow schools' councillor quits over child porn arrest (click for more)




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57 year old father-of-two, Brian Gate, was Harrow Council's cabinet member for children, schools and families.



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Posted 13 October 2012 - 09:39 PM

For those who have not been following the unfolding story of a British entertainment icon ...

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 10:10 PM

Meet 45 year old unemployed drug addict, Darren Mackrell, of Wilton Avenue, Southampton ...


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... on 21 April 2012, Mackrell raped two boys aged eight and 10 and a girl, nine, at his Southampton flat. Winchester Crown Court heard he forced the children to sexually abuse each other while he watched during the six-hour ordeal, and gave the children cannabis, amphetamines and Viagra. He also threatened to hurt them if they tried to leave - showing one boy a large hunting knife. On 20 August 2012 Mackrell admitted 18 charges of raping the three children, sexually assaulting them, causing them to engage in sexual activity, forcing them to watch a sexual act and administering drugs. On 21 September 2012, Mackrell was given an indeterminate jail sentence. Judge Gary Burrell QC told Mackrell he would spend at least 10 years in jail and may never be released if he continued to pose a danger to children . Sentencing Mackrell, he said: "As a parent, when a child goes missing, you fear the worst, you fear something bad has happened to them. "Something bad did happen to these three young children on that day."Your behaviour towards them plumbed the depths of human depravity. "There is no room for mercy, Darren Mackrell, in a case as horrific as this. What you did to these children was truly dreadful."



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Posted 13 October 2012 - 10:35 PM

Meet 30 year old maths teacher, Kevin Edward Hughes, of Woodclose Road, Chelmsley Wood, Solihull ...


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... on 17 September 2012, at Warwick Crown Court, he was given a community sentence for three years, with a condition of attending a sex offender programme. He was disqualified from working with children for life and has already been sacked from his school job. Hughes had pleaded guilty to two charges of sexual activity with a child and four of making indecent pictures of children, and had engaged in what a judge described as ‘a grotesque association’ with a pupil and got her to send him indecent pictures of herself. After the school he was then working at ran a maths trip, Hughes asked a 14-year-old girl on the trip to e-mail him some photographs. She did so, and shortly afterwards he asked her for her mobile phone number, after which regular texts and e-mails were exchanged in which he made flattering comments. Hughes entered his pleas on the basis that although they had kissed, they did not have intercourse until after she was 16 and they were no longer at the same school. She visited his flat, and on one occasion found an indecent image of a child on his computer, which he managed to convince her had got there because of a virus. But after a complaint was eventually made and Hughes was arrested the police seized his computer, which Judge Alan Parker said contained ‘many many hundreds of images.’ The prosecutor said there were 1,346 level one images of children in indecent poses, including 44 of the girl which he had asked her to take and send to him when she was just 14. There were also [i]four ‘level two’ movies showing her engaging in sexual activity by herself and four level three images of the two of them naked in bed. Sentencing Hughes, the judge told him: [i]“You were engaged in a grotesque association with this girl in flagrant disregard of your professional responsibilities, demonstrating a gross breach of trust."



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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:36 AM

It is possible that was the intention behind the intervention.


Huh? Was simply agreeing with Toyins comment on intellectual property and adding to it.

I do feel that the Saville case has been blown out of proportune, granted he was a popular figure and the media are capitalizing off of the shock involved but this kind of blanket (front + several page coverage) always makes me suspisious. Not to distract from the incident, just tend to be weary of trends.

Intersting the low sentances these people get. Peadofilia should be treated as murder, throws a question on how rape should then be treated but its a seriously low depravity... remember AOL had their search engine queries released back in 2006, many of the queries were requests for indecent images. Was shocking.

Edited by Black Lion, 15 October 2012 - 10:53 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

Peadofilia should be treated as murder, throws a question on how rape should then be treated but its a seriously low depravity...


I'm not sure if ruining a life should be seen the same as taking a life but I share the sentiment. Those guilty of child rape/abuse deserve serious custodial sentences with no 'slapped wrist' option as give to former judges, priests, police officers, politicians, etc

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:42 AM

Some of us are in positions where we can do something in the workplace but are so dismissive about horrific things that some children are experiencing. Then we wonder why, we have thieves, rapists, murders etc, who when you look into some of their childhoods were abused or neglected.

What will it take before we wake up & stop burying our heads and giving those who want to do something a hard time?

Why are families so cruel and uncaring?
Why, in some cases, when they should be protected, are children being abused again?
Why is the system so uncaring?
Have we got it wrong where we believe these systems exist to protect, or does it depend on who are to be protected?
Are we so full of self- hate that it doesn't matter?
Are we so full of self-hate that we don't care?

What can we do?
What must we do?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 09:47 AM

"Credible evidence is emerging that former BBC colleagues of Jimmy Savile knew of claims that he was a serial abuser of young boys at many locations, including on the corporation's premises ..."

Jimmy Savile: evidence BBC was allegedly aware of abuse claims grows (click for more)

Also:

Savile producer warned on damage to BBC (click for more)

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